But my opinions stand. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the TrueOffMyChest community, Press J to jump to the feed. JK Rowling found herself at the center of a fiery Twitter debate on gender identification on Thursday. And then this person comes to add more problems into the equation.

Maya Forstater, 45, was fired from the Centre for Global Development — a London/Washington-based think tank that campaigns against poverty — after claiming that "men cannot change into women" on her personal twitter account. This came to a head recently with the case of Maya Forstater, a visiting fellow at the Centre for Global Development (CGD), an international thinktank that campaigns against poverty and inequality.This is a charitable organisation based in Washington and London, where Forstater was a tax expert. She sued on the basis that her views should be protected under UK employment law, but lost.

Even if they’re doing it intentionally, you have the choice to decide they’re a dick and just walk away. Also, transmen can get hysterectomies as young as 17, but they refuse to give me one at the age of 25 despite crippling endometriosis and severe periods that leave me passing out every time I stand up. Yep, pretty much nailed it. She lost her employment tribunal. Oh intersecting.

An employment judge who reviewed her case said that : "I conclude from … the totality of the evidence, that [Forstater] is absolutist in her view of sex and it is a core component of her belief that she will refer to a person by the sex she considered appropriate even if it violates their dignity and/or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, humiliating or offensive environment. Experiences, Caitlyn Jenner Put Some Nasty Stuff in Her Mouth for 'I'm a Celebrity' This Weekend. "This judgment removes women's rights and the right to freedom of belief and speech. It gives judicial license for women and men who speak up for objective truth and clear debate to be subject to aggression, bullying, no-platforming and economic punishment," she said, per The Independent. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts, https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033, https://twitter.com/search?q=%22JK%20Rowling%22&src=trend_click, https://twitter.com/search?q=%23IStandWithMaya&src=trend_click. This might seem new to me because I had never seen such negative comments before towards the author of Harry Potter. Some, such as "Father Ted" creator Graham Linehan applauded her for what he insisted was standing up for women's rights. Also, they are enforcing the gender roles they claim to hate so much in their own way. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Everyone liking this tweet should respond to the consultation.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1haW5O-R2o-ENl0SIdDVfq4BiZ6K5hXeP/view, I'm gonna post this here, there's a lot more to why she was fired that has been presented in most discussions. I feel bad for children now.

Ever since transgender women starting competing in biological women’s sports, not only do they break records by massive margins, ITS DANGEROUS. ", The judge went on: "If a person has transitioned from male to female and has a Gender Recognition Certificate (GRC), that person is legally a woman. J.K. Rowling, as you noted, is publicly supporting Maya. Absolutely. I wear dresses and cute clothes now. Rowling … If someone has to get fired for stating what they believe is true then it's little better than the atheist getting fired at his job for saying there is no god. There have been rumblings about JK Rowling being transphobic before (search on this sub and you'll see), primarily associated with her following and liking posts of trans exclusionary or gender critical feminists and not doing the same for other feminists.

While I may chose to use alternative pronouns as a courtesy, no one has the right to compel others to make statements they do not believe. You can't fire someone for believing in simple biology. I disagree with a lot of what you just wrote, but you're dead right on this.

Forstater originally posted her opinion in response in reaction to UK government plans to allow people to self-identify as another gender. A subreddit to help you keep up to date with what's going on with reddit and other stuff. Please review Rule 4 and this post before making a top level comment: I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. lol come on.

The part about not wanting a trans woman is the wildest shit to me. You have your own set of struggles, but I’m sorry. Always thought she had an unfortunate name for someone in her unique position.

Her lawyers claimed that had she been successful, she would have established legal protection for people to express their beliefs in the workplace — on either side of the debate — without being discriminated against. Why would a tax expert spend her time talking about controversial things on her social media under her real name? But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real? Given the nature of her views, many people find Maya and those who support Maya transphobic. These beliefs are incompatible. '", Judge Tayler also pointed out she said: "I reserve the right to use the pronouns 'he' and 'him' to refer to male people. If someone toes the line of their gender, then suddenly it’s brought into question. It isn’t. I want a biological guy. Does anyone actually have any links to the original tweets that got Maya in hot water? Eventually as I got older I still liked those things but I never questioned my gender. I’m just gonna explain my reasoning though.

LUNGS. Some believe it is an inate sense of gender identity.

Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns. Forstater stood by her sentiments: "I accept everybody's gender identity, I just do not believe it overrides their sex. And those calling JK terf, and c*nt etc, thank you for revealing yourselves to the world for all to see, as before people wouldn't believe us when we said so much hate against women is out there, … And Thank you JK Rowling for starting the debate. We can acknowledge that formative experiences that occur directly as a result of sex formulate gender parts of identity while not being transphobic. Caster has PAIS (partial androgen insensitivity syndrome). Also, I’m sorry trans women, but you do NOT have the same struggles as biological women do. she draws the line at trans.

the fact that you think speaking up for women's rights is transphobic says nothing about her and everything about you.

You will not have these. The approach is not worthy of respect in a democratic society. The debate was as explosive as the Battle of Hogwarts. The notion that she was fired merely for 'her belief' is incredibly reductionist and the fact that people such as JK Rowling are arguing this is the case is part of the entire 'controversy'. Ms Forstater's position is that even if a trans woman has a GRC, she cannot honestly describe herself as a woman. In reality Murray is a man. I feel bad for trans people, I really do.

Yeah I’m kind of a dick. You are hoping someone develops a mental illness with one of the highest suicide rates, transitioned or not, in the world.

All because I “might have a miracle happen and get pregnant” no. Worth mentioning that the idea that she was fired for 'alleging that biological sex was immutable' is a highly contentious claim.

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Call yourself whatever you like. #IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill, "Dress however you please. THEY ARE STRONGER.

No. I was a tomboy (a term which I was told was transphobic :/) and I like short hair, trucks and bikes and dirt. When I was little, my dream was to one day ask you how people like me would have been accomodated for in hogwarts..I'm afraid that my dreams might have been crushed if I ever got that chance. And I’m just tired of it. The response on twitter was instant, and equally divided, as "JK Rowling is a TERF" — Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminist — began trending. BIGGER HEARTS. How do you think it would feel for someone trans to have to go to work every day with someone they know perfectly well hates them or disrespects who they are at such a basic level? Is it just because they’ve got more on the “oppression scale”? And Thank you JK Rowling for starting the debate. Why does everyone hate JK Rowling all of a sudden? And got forbid you you tell them you’re not into that.

Someone shouldn’t get fired for stating the obvious. The Human Rights Campaign specifically called out Rowling with its Twitter response. If transitioning is the perfect treatment for you, great, but it shouldn’t make you better than everyone else. The fact that most people feel too scared to say they are worried about gender recognition becoming law and the potential ramifications, then something has gone terribly wrong in society. Dress however you please.Call yourself whatever you like.Sleep with any consenting adult who'll have you.

You physically cannot.

I transitioned at 18 but I would have done it at 16 had it not been for people telling me I'd never be a "real girl". No. Like the fact she wasn't even fired, just didn't have a contract renewed. As soon as you make it acceptable to say that not consenting, ie not wanting to have sex with someone, makes you a bigot...well, you can see where it would lead. She's XY, has internal testicles and produces male levels of testosterone. It has to be difficult to struggle with that. I think that's all this is.

New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the OutOfTheLoop community. IT IS NOT FAIR. But enforcing the dogma that transwomen are women is totalitarian.". This is probably the most public she's been about her views in this area, given A: she's posting instead of liking/following, and B: The person she's supporting is solely relevant for her views on trans people. Her testosterone levels are significantly higher than anything a female can produce. Anyway, you're right. I’m sorry but that’s the cold hard truth. Do I respect the pronouns of trans people?

Live your best life in peace and security. She added in a blog post: "I am perfectly happy to use preferred pronouns and accept everyone's humanity and right to free expression. Sleep with any consenting adult who'll have you. she's already one of the most inclusive people out there. You cannot change your gender. That isn't equality. No. I think people ideas and beliefs are okay if they separate those views from work and doesn't affect coworkers. It’s not fair. it's not that bad. A little girl like trucks, blue, and having short hair?

The trans community has been hijacked by radicals and fetishists , stop coaxing kids to validate your life choices, kick the radicals out. Caster Semenya wasn't kicked out of the sport for having too high testosterone for a woman.

That's great.

No.

https://twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033, Trends Here: https://twitter.com/search?q=%22JK%20Rowling%22&src=trend_click, and here: https://twitter.com/search?q=%23IStandWithMaya&src=trend_click. Can't believe I'm defending you but you're right.

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